By Martha Borders
Wednesday, July 23rd 2003

I had been on a certain member web site for several months when suddenly she shows up. I heard mumbling and whispering around that she had come back. What the heck! Well as usual curiosity got the better of me and before long I was starting to get to know her in one of the workrooms. I had a strong sense from the beginning of her reentry into this site that I have a great deal in common with her and I have not been disappointed. Her voice is light and full of laughter which fools one when you discover that she is really a serious person and passionate on many subjects. She grew up in Southern California and lives here with her husband and 14 year old son. She also has a 23 year old son. And quite frankly I am a bit jealous of her ability with the written word. LOL While we have not agreed on one subject on that site, I can say that mostly we are tuned into each other. So it is with pride I introduce you to my friend Nora Amrani.

MM - Who is Vibrani and why do you use that handle?

Nora - I'm very much into learning the meanings of names from all languages. The name VIBRANI came about through a channeling session when I asked if I have a universal name, do beings in the universe know me by any other name. The name most relevant right now is ELLE RA NA VIBRANI. This has to do with my present female incarnation, and being the balance between the feminine and masculine principles of RA. It has to do with my names now. Vibrani comes closest to representing the energy of my oversoul family, who are a combination of interdimensional beings - humans, off-planet beings, light beings, those who have never been in the physical body. Vibrani also means "queen vibration." This oversoul family also comprises about 35 people (many whom I've met), who are currently incarnated in the body on earth, and others in many different dimensions. We are a family, which represents and expresses the VIBRATION (because life is always in a constant state of vibration, movement, with rhythms. We also use color, frequency, tastes, the LIGHT, i.e., knowledge and love), of All That Is - The Source. We do this in a variety of ways: the arts and sciences. The name "Vibrani" is also a true U.S. that trademark I own. When I came to that site and learned that people use handles, this became the main one I chose to use.

MM - How did you go about finding your oversoul family? How could I find my oversoul family?

Nora - It's not something I would recommend to everybody, Martha, because it really requires a lot of preparation in metaphysics, spirituality, and even psychology. I do have an article on it, how I started, what I found out, that I can refer to you and others, though Oversoul. Even with this knowledge and preparation, it can be a very challenging experience.

MM - I found your article very informative and would recommend it to anyone else interested in one’s oversoul family. When did you first get interested in healing other people and why?

Nora - I wanted to understand what causes disease and are there more than one way to heal a person, or to find a way to heal that doesn't involve physical instruments or surgery - more Westernized medicine. When I saw certain ailments I asked myself, "Isn't there some other way to help this person or animal?" I'm not completely against Western medicine - sometimes it's the best thing for a person. But I think there has to be more than one system because one way may not be the way, or the only way, to help someone heal. This came out more in my early adult years even though as a child I had thought about going into the medical field either as a nurse or doctor. When I was a professional dancer I often went to a chiropractor who taught me so much about healing that I was able to use what I learned on my own family and friends with great success. That spurred me onward. I worked for a vet hospital for three years and saw surgeries, helped animals heal by touch and energy.

When I got back into spiritualism in my thirties, I wanted to find ways to heal myself - so whatever I've done on others I've already experienced a lot of it on myself. I found a way to heal my own thyroid to prevent surgery and remove nodules on it. My thyroid also shrank and balanced itself much better. The nodules never grew back. The medication I had been taking was cut down by more than half. I knew if I could do that, then maybe others could, and maybe I could apply that knowledge in many other areas. I also figured out that people often require more than one thing in order to heal and sometimes an issue is from another lifetime. I took courses in energy work (the main course lasted two years) and spiritual courses in anatomy, physiology, sensitivity (channeling, clairvoyance, telepathy, etc.) with hands on experience, and I became a Certified Energy Worker and developed my own style working with my hands, combining the mental, spiritual, physical and emotional bodies in the healing, and having people involved in their own healing. I always use water, color, love, and music in my work, and sometimes use crystals. At the same time, I was channeling art for healing and getting my Transpersonal Hypnotherapy certification - many things were happening at once that all ended up being part of the same overall healing process. This included past life regression and pattern transformational work, and energizing water for others to use. I did public energy work for several years and now do private sessions. I also work in other fields in the business and entertainment industries.

MM - A professional dancer? Please explain how you got started and what type of dancing you did.

Nora - I started dance lessons when I was four years old and took ballet, later pointe, and when I was thirteen I persued learning international dance (dance from around the world - ethnic dance), belly dancing, tap, jazz, etc. By the time I was in university I was already a dance teacher, choreographer, had my own folk dance troupe, and danced in productions. My B.A. was in Drama and I first attended the U.S. International University and their School of Performing Arts as a musical theatre major. Then completed my B.A. at USC. I was also a member of the Aman Folk Ensemble (a long time ago). My parents gave me a very well-rounded education in more than the usual: music (piano and guitar), dance, tennis, swimming and diving (and racing), art (which was pretty useless because I still can't draw unless I'm channeling it), horseback riding, I went to camps. I was a very active kid and loved sports. I was so active that once I was asked by a doctor, "Don't you think you're doing too much?" It never occurred to me until that moment that quite possibly I WAS doing too much. I thought everybody sent their kids to all these classes - and then there were the practice times (2 hours a day for piano, alone). The doctor suggested I slow down. I did cut out some of the things, but I had an amazing amount of energy and stamina, so I took dance classes for 2-4 hours each day, and then would dance for enjoyment or teach 6 hours each night, all while going to school and working full time. I met my husband in an international folk dance cafe. My intense dancing continued until I had my first child. Then there was no way to keep up with what I used to do. So, now I dance for myself, at special events - for enjoyment only.

MM - When do you think we will give peace a chance?

Nora - I think people are already giving it a chance. But for the entire planet to be in peace will take some time. There will always be conflict because each person has their own views and thinks they're right. But, to allow for others to have their views and not hurt or kill them because of those views, and to even try to understand another's views will mean we understand mercy and we see ourselves and the divine in every living being. I think that the majority of people in the world are hoping for peace but are still approaching it as a war, so the energy is the same, and that creates resistence - so we don't get as far as we could. I feel that when people let go of "forcing" spiritually, to stop the resentment and hostility because they demand peace, but begin living peace inside themselves, peace has a greater opportunity to spread and be accepted. We cannot expect peace in the outer world if we don't have peace within ourselves. I also think that when enough people reach that point, critical mass, it will bring the rest along.

MM - Yes I agree, if only each of was able to see the higher self in others, I also believe peace would prevail. As they say, "Give Peace a Chance". Is there an American Indian story that changed the way you viewed life? Explain.

Nora - There wasn't one story I read that did that for me. I think many of the stories have good messages. If I were to pick out some main themes, it would be Coyote, White Buffalo Woman (who is one of my guides), and Spider Woman - because Coyote comically shows us how we can be our own undoing. And Spider Woman and White Buffalo Woman talk about how all life is part of this great web of life she weaves, everyone and everything is interconnected and interrelated. Spider Woman is the elder woman who remembers and re-members everything.

I think what effected me the most about the majority of tribes in the American Indian culture is the respect for women. The Kinnalda ceremony, for instance (Navajo and Apache), is a coming of age, puberty rite, for girls reaching womanhood and it is celebrated (sort of like a Bat Mitzvah in Judaism). I love that passages of life are celebrated. An experience from my childhood had the most powerful impact for me in relation to Native people. First, I would like to say that the term used to describe all the indigenous people in the US isn't accurate at all, and it causes huge arguments within the communities. Some like American Indian, some like Native American, but the majority identify themselves as "the people" and with their individual tribal name, such as Lakota, Apache, Comanche, Shoshone, etc. These people were mistakenly given the name "Indian" - they are not from India, are they? I think anyone born in the U.S. is a Native American. For this interview, I'll use American Indian as a general term since I don't have an exact tribal reference for use.

When I was young, maybe around 5 years old, my family went to Apple Valley, CA for a vacation. This is a place in the San Bernardino mountains - quite remote - several hours' drive from Los Angeles. (Yes, it is known for its apples and every year there are apple festivals still going on up there.) This was back in the mid-1950s. The local Indian American tribes would come to the Inn and do a powwow for guests in this outdoor amphitheater. When I saw them I was immediately drawn to them. I started dancing along with them.

After their performance, I kept dancing. The "chief" came over to me, this little white-haired, blue-eyed girl who felt she was an Indian. I stopped dancing, feeling a little embarrassed. He sat down with me and looked into my eyes. He nodded and smiled and I don't remember all of vocal words he spoke to me, but I recall the message he gave me - which was more telepathic, and that was that he recognized family in me and that there would always be a connection between us. He did express that he was surprised, impressed and pleased that I was the only one who had danced with them. He asked me why I had done that. I shrugged my shoulders and said something like, "I liked it - it felt good." I looked right into the eyes of that man and felt he was my grandfather. I wanted to stay with them. When my mom wanted me to behave properly, she used to threaten me with selling me to the Indians or Gypsies. Not a very cool way to talk with an adopted daughter, or any child, for that matter, but that was the bizarre thinking of that generation. That was to be the great fear to be sold to these savage people. In my case, I always found that to be an exciting possibility and wished she had sold me to the Indians. lol

From that moment, when I was confronted with that "chief," I knew that somehow, sometime in my life I would be involved in Native American issues, I remembered in past lives I had been an Indian. I knew that I had something to say about American Indians and one day would do so. As young as I was, I knew that it would be interesting to see how this would develop, me not being an American Indian in this life - and it has proven to be an interesting challenge. Boy, after writing the answer to that American Indian question, more memories are popping up. I remember that after that powwow, I made my parents buy me some ankle bells to wear so I could dance at home like the Indians did.

MM - You must have felt angry or unloved when your Mom threatened to sell you to Indians or Gypsies. How did you overcome those feelings and do you think it had a direct affect on your personality?

Nora - At first, I thought she was serious, and yeah I was upset, especially because I didn't like the feeling of being a slave or product, and that she thought so little for me. But I soon figured out it was an empty threat. When I felt confident about that, and when she'd bring it up, I'd tell her to go right ahead and give me to the Indians because I'm sure they'd love to have me and I'd love them. She stopped the threat when she realized it didn't work lol.

MM - It is rumored in my family that my great grandmother was half Cherokee, I think. Unfortunately the family was not proud of the fact (snobbism) so I have no documentation on the connection. I also have felt a deep connection to American Indians like you have Nora.

Nora - Have you ever explored that, Martha?

MM - Not yet but I'll try to make some time this fall to check into the rumors. Who represents humanity to the rest of the world?

Nora - Collectively - each and every one of us; and individually, each to a different degree.

MM - Do children today face different challenges then when you were growing up? Explain.

Nora - They sure so. Well, Martha, now you asked for it! Here's one of my favorite topics. I'll do my best to keep it brief. For one thing, as is the case with each new generation, there is more information to learn, new pressures, new technology. Life is faster now and one has to be alert with their eyes and minds in a way we didn't have to be when I was growing up when life was slower-paced and expectations weren't so intense (I think). We had time to appreciate life, to be kids. I think there was more family enjoyment because of less pressure – many parents did not have both parents working, nor working two jobs. There was less divorce. I also think there was more care towards family meals and eating healthy. I also think there was more safety when I was young – people looked out for one another much more, too. I think today a little more than when I was growing up, there are more pressures for kids to grow up too soon. When I was growing up we didn't hear or use bad language. Swear words were something I encountered when I got to high school. Not so today. I think there was a lot more respect when I was growing up, treating one another in a much kinder way. I do think this has to do with one's family and environment, but in general I think the generations after mine are far more rude and abusive. This greatly saddens me.

I also wish kids today had a spiritual education and more hands-on experience with real things, like animals, plants, the sea, art, music, theatre. Funding for such programs is rare today. In my youth, these things were mandatory. I think our natural environment has changed a lot – much more crowded cities, more pollution, less open spaces, and that contributes to more stress and noise. And, while I grew up with the first real television generation I can understand how kids today are so visually oriented with computers and video games. However, I think many are missing out on the pleasure of kicking back against a tree and reading a good book. I think education hasn't improved at all in this country, but has gone backwards since I was even in high school because the emphasis isn't on education but on quantity to learn quickly and not really digest what one is learning and how to use it wisely. Few schools do that today. Teachers have less respect, and many teachers have become lazy and forced to be police – to drug children who don't need drugs but do need the proper attention. A good change has been preventative medicine and less use of antibiotics, better and easier screening tests and treatments, including surgeries.

I am grateful to my parents for providing so much and exposing me to so much. I try to do the same for my sons. I learned very young (starting at age 2) that not everyone was as fortunate as I from traveling. I visited people who lived in cardboard shacks, I saw extreme poverty, learned that around the world people's lives were sometimes different, their tastes were different (sometimes I chose not eating because of the menu in a particular place). This brought me an awareness that very few kids had before starting kindergarten, let alone throughout my youth. It also made it hard to relate to my peers sometimes because they did not have that kind of exposure and only thought in terms of what was in their immediate vicinity. Can you imagine what would happen if more kids tried different things, traveled at younger ages and saw how other people live? I mean, there are inner city kids in Los Angeles who'd never get to the beach or learn how to surf if it weren't for certain organizations who receive donations to take kids there. That's so sad that people are so limited. I watch Jay Leno on the Tonight Show doing his Jaywalking sequences and see how ignorant Americans are about the U.S. and the world. People need to get out more and touch each other, to try new things.

MM - I think another good change has been recognizing the needs of children that are either gifted or need special education. I think the area of helping autistic children has taken a large step to understand all children deserve a proper education.

Nora - Absolutely so. Each day brings new realizations. Today I read a report that indicates the earliest warning signs of potential autism in children - a recent finding.

MM - What is the single most important issue in our society today?

Nora - That's a good question, Martha. I think the most important issues are a combination of being more honest with one's self and others, trusting one's own knowledge and inner guidance much more (being responsible for one's choices); intimacy with others; and realizing that everyone and everything is connected and effected by what we do.

MM - Hey that's my thought also – all is connected. LOL What country’s have you lived in and do you have any favorite places?

Nora - I have "lived" briefly in Israel. From one month, to four months at a stretch, several different times. I've traveled to many countries, but Israel is the only place I've spent a lot of time. Yes, I have many favorite places – one of them is when I connect with my essence; some of them are in other dimensions lol. But on this planet, besides Israel, Norway, Sweden, England, Lake Como (Italy), Santorini (Greece), and of course areas of Southern California, and especially love the Self-Realization Fellowship Center in Malibu. I would love to go to Scotland and Ireland and have a feeling those will also be among my favorite places.

MM - Please tell me about the Self-Realization Fellowship Center in Malibu. I am unfamiliar with this center.

Nora - It's a center that was started by Yogi Paramahansa Yogananda, (with whom I have an affinity) who was a friend of Gandhi's (and some of Gandhi's ashes are kept in a special shrine at the SRF) for meditation, for honoring all religions of the world, for classes in Yogananda's teachings. The Lake Shrine is on Sunset Blvd. about a quarter of a mile from Pacific Coast Highway. The ten-acre site (a former movie set) contains a large, round, spring-fed lake, surrounded by natural hillsides and surrounded by lush landscaping. It has bridges, waterfalls, fountains, a chapel, flower beds, inspirational statues, white swans, ducks, water turtles, koi, lacy fern grottos, lily ponds, and an old Dutch windmill. It is open to the public 6 days a week (closed on some holidays and for private functions), and it's a place to go to for being quiet, peaceful, for going within, for communing with nature. The grounds are beautifully kept. The place relies on donations and some fees from sales (most stuff is from India) in its bookstore and classes, workshops (which it hosts for people from all over the world). There is also a very cool museum there with the history of the SRF, complete with furniture, props, clothing, photos, ornaments, gifts, writings, minerals/crystals. It's a real treasure of L.A. There are tours that take people there, too. One has to agree to the terms upon entering - quiet, respectful of those meditating, bringing basically nothing into the park but your purse (if you like) and a camera. They want to keep the grounds as pure as possible. There is also another SRF center closer to where you live, Martha, but I prefer the beach one. SRF. I know others who have been to the lake since they were kids and take their kids, and grandkids to it now. It is like a family tradition. I've been going since the mid-1960s. And each family has their favorite locales within the SRF. We know it inside and out and love every part of it. I'd love to take you there, if you're game, Martha. The fun thing about it is - many people can drive right by it and not even know it's there...which is sort of a good thing for us! lol

MM - I had a good chuckle when you sent me the link and realized Yogi Paramahansa Yogananda started the center. I have been meaning to ask you for awhile about him. Have you ever seen any UFOs? What are your thoughts on ET’s?

Nora - Yes, I have seen many of them, different types from different civilizations. I also reported a couple of my sightings. I've seen round ships, oblong ships, cigar-shaped ship, ships with designs I can't even describe, rods. I've been in several of them, as well, and saw how they work, met with the beings on them. ETs are beings in other planets, stars, dimensions, just another aspect of All That Is/the Source. We are on earth, and they are elsewhere (and sometimes here). Some are more technologically and spiritually advanced than humans are, and some are less. For the most part, they are kind and helpful. I've only come across one group of very negatively-oriented beings, which is amazing considering the vast numbers of civilizations in the cosmos. Some don't know about us, some don't care about us. The majority will not interfere with Earth because they respect our free will, UNLESS we go mucking about in space destroying life, or putting their lives at risk. The ones here or observing us, sometimes helping us through communications, are interested in us because of our diversity, to see how we evolve, to understand themselves, and they care about our future because it is also their future. As far as my memory is concerned, and backed up with historical data, ETs have always been part of our lives and the history of Plan-ET Earth. The main influences have been the Lyrans, Vegans, Anunnaki, Pleideans, Sirians, Orions, and Zeta Reticuli (some of those are overlaps). To me, they are beloved friends and family, my past and my future, and great sources of information.

MM - I had no idea we had so many influences. I’m encouraged that you only came across only one negative group. When is the last time you stood on your head?

Nora - Too long ago to recall (and I didn't like it then), and not interested in ever doing so, again. I think there’s something really unnatural about wanting all the blood to rush to one’s head for longer than a few seconds.

MM - What’s your favorite song/artist/music?

Nora - I do not have just one, although at the top of a list would have to be David Sanborn's "The Dream", a few songs by Yanni and Andreas Vollenweider, Ofra Haza, Fairuz, Donovan, and The Doors and Hendrix. I love so many artists and different music styles and these really move me the most; Dixieland Jazz; world music/ethnic music: Flamenco, Arabic, Israeli, Celtic, Chinese, Indian, Ladino, Greek; classical, hard rock, heavy metal, Broadway musicals, and even some opera. Just too many to pick one from! But, the music that I love has high energy to it, lots of heart/passion, it makes me want to move, dance. It would take pages for me to list individual artists and songs that I adore. For me, music represents to me communication that transcends race, religion, gender, age, and shows how many instruments and sounds work together to create beautiful harmony.

MM - Nora you have been on this other site for a long time. What advice would you give to newcomers?

Nora - Find your own niche on a site. It may be with only one other person or many. But be yourself and don't take the place too seriously, or spend too much time there (it's easy to become addicted to it and then forget about your actual physical life). Have fun, look around, make connections, share your thoughts or talents, and again, don't take it too seriously lol.

MM - Thank you Nora for taking the time to answer my questions. If anyone has a question for Nora concerning the interview please feel free to ask away. I am sure you will get an answer.

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